tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post8305057713551159935..comments2024-03-28T20:53:54.312-05:00Comments on Orange Crate Art: One space, two spacesMichael Leddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05547732736861224886noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-12601171388374473302018-05-07T13:36:10.045-05:002018-05-07T13:36:10.045-05:00I haven’t read the study either. (It costs $39.95....I haven’t read the study either. (It costs $39.95.) I agree that “natural” is an odd choice, esp. when I think of all the habits of writing that students bring with them from high school.Michael Leddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547732736861224886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-15760795157724834042018-05-07T12:56:58.312-05:002018-05-07T12:56:58.312-05:00I haven't read the recent study, mentioned in ...I haven't read the recent study, mentioned in the article, so this observation might have already been addressed: There doesn't seem to be much discussion regarding the difference between the application of typing practices (i.e. the conventions one was taught) versus the perception of printed type. From the <i>Post</i> article:<br /><br />"First, they put the students in front of computers and dictated a short paragraph, to see how many spaces they naturally used."<br /><br />I would think that what one "naturally uses" could be as much a result of what they were taught in terms of "how to type" rather than what their psycho-perceptual preference is for the distance after periods.Seanhttp://contrapuntalism.blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-53249848394970922692018-05-05T13:13:43.173-05:002018-05-05T13:13:43.173-05:00Thanks for the link and description — I’ll watch s...Thanks for the link and description — I’ll watch soon.Michael Leddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547732736861224886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-14294810123891145442018-05-05T11:18:32.568-05:002018-05-05T11:18:32.568-05:00If you can stomach Robert Scoble as interviewer an...If you can stomach Robert Scoble as interviewer and have around 1.5 hours this hike around Microsoft campus video is informative:<br /><br />https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Bill-Hill-A-Hike-Around-Microsofts-Forests-Happy-Birthday-Video-5<br /><br />The good bits start at 22:27 with the discussion of animal tracking and its relationship to our developments of reading and writing.shallnothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12091785623505779725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-19522139441255291762018-05-05T10:43:15.361-05:002018-05-05T10:43:15.361-05:00He sounds like a wise and humane fellow.
I just f...He sounds like a wise and humane fellow.<br /><br />I just found this, from a 2006 handout that I gave to my students: “It’s now considered preferable to put one space after a period. If you’re interested, you can look online and find passionate and fascinating arguments about the issue from people involved in document- and web-design. Me, I don’t care either way, but using one space is a good way to show that you’re at home in print and HTML culture.”Michael Leddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547732736861224886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-83436044712155462292018-05-05T10:21:24.575-05:002018-05-05T10:21:24.575-05:00From 2004 the late Bill Hill (formerly with Micros...From 2004 the late Bill Hill (formerly with Microsoft’s typography and other departments) on the <a href="https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/TheChannel9Team/Bill-Hill-There-is-only-one-space-after-a-period”>typographer’s point-of-view</a> re: two spaces and emphasizing text. (2 and a half minute video)<br /><br />I think I would have liked to have had a conversation with Bill.<br /><br />Stevenshallnothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12091785623505779725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-60009824676644044252018-05-04T08:33:43.349-05:002018-05-04T08:33:43.349-05:00I always type one now. I’m not sure when I broke m...I always type one now. I’m not sure when I broke myself of the older habit. Blogging might have done it for me, as HTML turns two spaces into one.<br /><br />I notice that you use two spaces after periods in your posts — you must be adding non-breaking spaces, no?Michael Leddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547732736861224886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-17172388181992484652018-05-04T05:51:37.063-05:002018-05-04T05:51:37.063-05:00I took typing at age 15......two spaces is so ingr...I took typing at age 15......two spaces is so ingrained in my keyboard usage that I will never change. You?Elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13195458656221202202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-23468547020555055202018-05-02T16:05:44.466-05:002018-05-02T16:05:44.466-05:00Adding two spaces after a period is a convention f...Adding two spaces after a period is a convention familiar to anyone who began on a typewriter. (That’d be me.) That the iPhone turns two spaces into a space and a period is a pretty strong sign that one space is now the prevailing norm. Butterick has an interesting sidebar comment: “Ten years ago, I issued a standing challenge to the skeptics: show me a book, newspaper, or magazine that uses two spaces between sentences. No one ever has.”Michael Leddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547732736861224886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-65936824136397335932018-05-02T15:04:50.445-05:002018-05-02T15:04:50.445-05:00James Felici's "The Complete Manual of Ty...James Felici's "The Complete Manual of Typography" is a favorite of mine, and in it he suggests proportional typefaces simply do not require two spaces. However if you're using a typewriter, or a monospace typeface, then two spaces remains the proper choice.<br /> <br />I tend to agree with him; when I see two spaces after a period in text set with proportional type, it usually comes across as an interruption.Seanhttp://contrapuntalism.blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343608.post-53307953268747992852018-05-02T09:47:41.666-05:002018-05-02T09:47:41.666-05:00My answer is a resounding 'Yes'! Otherwis...My answer is a resounding 'Yes'! Otherwise, my train of thought is derailed by my observation that someone's punctuation skills need refreshing, or he/she was typing too fast.<br /><br />I cringe every time I see an error I didn't catch before posting an email or comment. I used to send a follow-up apologizing for the error, but I make too many to keep up. I just let it go now. (Hard copy stuff is another story.)The Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04846997590157958766noreply@blogger.com